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Любопытный статистический обзор браков в США. Особенно мне понравились эти две карты: продолжительность первого и второго брака у женщин. То, что на Юге и брачность и разводимость выше - это уже хорошо известно. Но на Юге помимо этого еще и дольше продолжительность брака, особенно второго. На Западе она тоже выше, плюс выделяются блее сельские штаты. Это вполне объяснимо: в более традиционном, консервативном обществе институт брака сильнее. Россия тут не исключение: разводимость крайне низкая на Кавказе, а вообще ниже в почти всех республиках и на селе. Моя жена рассказывала, что в Китае разводы дело редкое, хотя тоже уровень разводимости растет из-за модернизации, но тем не менее, в сельских районах и немолодые пары как правило живут вместе даже не смотря на то, что в аналогичных условиях на Западе или в России уже давно бы развелись. Мучаются, но живут вместе: так положено. В Китае действительно уровень разводимости 1.85 на тысячу, в США 9.5. А еще в 1985 г. в Китае уровень был 0.4 на тысячу. Правда, новый закон, по которому можно свободно разводится без всяких бумажек от работодателя и соседей, был принят только 7 лет назад..


Date: 2012-02-07 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Ну так феминизм тоже выше там, где модернизация. Но невозможно же все разводы списать на феминисток.

Date: 2012-02-07 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
Не модернизация причина феминизма. Причина феминизма — развал в головах. А развал в головах начинается там, где отходят от вековых традиций общества.

Date: 2012-02-07 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
А чем плохо отходить от вековых традиций общества? Точнее, одни традиции могут быть полезными, а другими объективно вредны для обещства. То, что какая-то традиция держится веками, но является само по себе доказательством ее полезности. Для кого-то и забивание камнями - традиция.

Date: 2012-02-07 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vladislav-01.livejournal.com
Что объективно полезного в разрушении института брака?

Date: 2012-02-07 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Я разве о полезности института брака? Я о том, что нельзя отходить от вековых традиций.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vladislav-01.livejournal.com
Ну хорошо. В чём тогда вредность института брака, который нельзя расторгнуть просто по желанию одной из сторон, а нужны какие-то веские причины типа доказанного прелюбодеяния?

Date: 2012-02-07 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] renivid.livejournal.com
Какой смысл мужчине продолжать брак с женщиной, которая в одностороннем порядке захотела развестись? Это какой-то особый вид мазохизма?

Date: 2012-02-07 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vladislav-01.livejournal.com
Вид мазохизма в современных условиях - это вступать в брак, лишая себя прав собственности на своё имущество и доходы, которые становятся "совместно нажитыми".

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Date: 2012-02-07 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
И что интересно, что по какой-то традиции вредные традиции остаются, а полезные традиции уничтожаются, и заменяются новыми вредными традициями... В результате чего мир катится в пропасть...

Например, отход от традиции, что мужчина является главой семьи, а развод со стороны женщины табуировался, сейчас приводит к тому, что через 100 лет нашей страны уже не будет... Вот и всё.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Наверное, про то, что мир катится в пропасть, мир слышит столетиями. И про традиции тоже.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
Вы ошибаетесь по поводу столетий.

Между тем Россия сейчас совершенно объективно скатывается в демографическую яму, причём такую, которую обыватель, зачастую даже не понимает.

Даже такой обыватель, который прекрасно разбирается в статистике...

Вы даже не представляете себе что ожидает нас в ближайшие 10 лет, такой провалище, что мама не горюй.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Почему это ошибаюсь? Вряд ли старики дадут соврать, что говорили, что мир катится в пропасть всегда. Да и по книгам это известно.

То, что Россия скатывается в демографическую яму, то запретом разводов Вы это не решите на 100%.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
1. Нет это не так.

2. Скатывание в яму уже не остановить. Практически ни какими методами. За исключением быть может уголовной ответственности за рождение менее чем 3-х детей, а так же к возврату жёстких семейных традиций.

Пока женщинам не подкрутить ослабшие гайки в головах наше государство обречено на погибель.

Проблема очень многих обывателей, что они просто не осознают масштаб обвала, который совершенно объективно надвигается буквально в ближайшее десятилетие. Да все говорят, все знают, что будет демографическая проблема, но масштаб проблемы большинство из нас даже не осознаёт...

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Date: 2012-02-07 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
>>> Для кого-то и забивание камнями - традиция.

В ряде случаев это хорошая традиция... особенно благотворно такая традиция влияет на женщин, ибо слов они часто не понимают...

Date: 2012-02-07 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Сложновато спорить со сторонников забивания женщин камнями.

Date: 2012-02-07 08:12 pm (UTC)
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Да, конечно, за измену женщину нужно погладить по головке...

Сложновато спорить с людьми, которые не понимают, что со слов до женщины ни чего не доходит... Да она сделает вид, что поняла, но сделает по своему, если не будет знать, что будет сурово наказана за непослушание...

Date: 2012-02-07 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] renivid.livejournal.com
Ух какой жирненький тролль!

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Date: 2012-02-07 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireev.livejournal.com
Класный переход от забивания кампнями до погладить по головке!

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Date: 2012-02-08 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alekcnova.livejournal.com
А мужчин за измену тоже надо камнями забивать?

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jnuk.livejournal.com
"Сложновато спорить с людьми, которые не понимают, что со слов до женщины ни чего не доходит" -

Интересное замечание. Совершенно не совпадает с моими наблюдениями. Мне все больше понятливые женщины попадаются. Хотя у мне может быть не очень типичный опыт. Я все больше с образованными дамами общаюсь.

У меня к вам, как к знатоку российской демографии вопрос есть. Почему начиная с 60-х годов прошлого века в Советском Союзе, а теперь и в России продолжительность жизни практически не меняется? Практически в каждой другой стране она растет, а в России нет. Почему?

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Date: 2012-02-07 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vladislav-01.livejournal.com
Глядя на выходки эксгибиционисток из "Фемен", я жалею, что живу не в Древнем Израиле. :)

Date: 2012-02-07 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argonix.livejournal.com
Мне почему-то тоже по поводу закидывания камнями фемены вспомнились...

Одной рукой феминистическое государство борется с порнографией и педофилией, а другой допускает реальный разврат на улицах. То что там дети на улице не волнует ни кого... Не волнует потому, что борьба ведётся только против мужчин. Кстати государство и дет тоже не интересуют особо. Дети лишь инструмент борьбы с мужчинами (да и нормальными женщинами тоже).

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Date: 2012-02-08 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danwinter.livejournal.com
что это ты тут сразу к нескольким мужикам пристаешь, противный?

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